I suspect your CR is really a poor stamping of CB, which would be 2007. is 1350. The crest consists of crossed rifles with bayonets and a hammer and anvil. The barrel pictured is a perfect example as it bears all of the Italian proof i have a cap and ball pistol with the marking wc on hammer side and a shield with an x in it and 3 stacked balls on the other side. This stands for Armi Chiappa in reference to Rino Chiappa, the companys founder. HMo09..0pl4jub(FZf=~$ABP(XLP Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! We again state its a good idea to have the rifle entirely empty when you load the rifle to avoid the possibility of a major blunder that could cost you a hand, or worse. were all sharp enough to cut the hands. We did note the edges of just about everything the front gate system, the edges of the magazine cut along the bottom of the rifle, etc. The National Weapons Catalog was introduced in Italy in 1975 and the number 1487 refers to the UBERTI MOD. z Sold ~ GREAT DEAL ~ First Year of Production Navy Arms, 1851 Navy Revolver. Recoil was not an issue. Pietta serial number Question | The Muzzleloading Forum 0000051711 00000 n 0000003020 00000 n 12) Pedersoli sometimes stamp their name on the inside of the lock. 0000110238 00000 n A copy of a letter dated June 6, 1988 on the Aldo Uberti & Co. letterhead to Kevin Cherry (Cherrys, 2703 High Point Rd., Greensboro, NC 27403) showing the model (all are single action rev.), barrel length (4 , 5 , 7 and 10 inches) and caliber (.44 Mag., .22Conv., .22 LR and .22 CAL), and serial numbers of 65 revolvers. Pages, photographs and artwork from this site are the sole property of River Junction Trade Co. LLC, and may not be used or reproduced in whole or in part without written permission. Uberti identification | The Firearms Forum While the stock finish was mighty hard, it had none of the milkiness that Henrys rifle had. February 18, 2016 in SASS Wire. 0000006039 00000 n Recently bought a Uberti Walker with a CB date code, so I'm pretty sure about those last two codes. 1) An example of a full set of Proof and makers marks on a Pedersoli pistol. See Attachment 5. %PDF-1.6 % Recent Euroarms pistols have been observed with a new mark which looks like a letter N surrounded by four triangles. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. there are other marking but they are not readable. The stocks have some light compressions, nicks and handling marks. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. Make: Uberti. The operation of the action is smooth and the fit of the action's side plates is excellent. "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not" - Thomas Jefferson. Barrel is marked "Navy Arms Ridgefield NJ - Italy" and the upper tang is marked "CAL 22 LR". All the .44s (including the Phantoms) were in the range of 75918 to 75954 and all the .22s (except 75255) were in the range of 75955 to 75985. They are the earliest Navy Arms made. Uberti makes five versions of this rifle. It is available on the web from Adobe as a free download. 1860." The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. 0000002445 00000 n I find strange that an Uberti gun has no date code. The Italian proof marks should have a rectangular or square box with a date code in it. 10) Uberti name and address stamping from 1975. 0000080318 00000 n I think it is a new Army 1858 but the Navy Arms on the top of barrel confuses me. The manual had the mumbo-jumbo we mentioned in our earlier report about where the lever ought to be during the loading process, and we again state that it doesnt matter where you put the lever when you load the rifle. There were no other markings on the rifle. The Old Model started production in 1861 with the slightly improved New Model Army coming out in 1863 . In October 2016, I spotted another Uberti/Colt .44 Magnum on the Guns International web site (, No comments permitted but if you like Colt revolvers take a look. Also included is the origianal cardboard wood grain box and waxed wrapping paper. fW5Zi|Fki"Mf4i{~9wY C [[8jD=z"ef ~ZckGWE(}vE|4 Yes, that can be confusing, but we did like the 1860 Henry by the Italian maker better than we did the namesake brands gun. Same serial # is under grips on frame as on bottom of barrel. i Have a black powder pistol with the star circle over PN with AC in a square next to it and the crossed rifles with the star circle over it and it has 2115 R a P over an R and FTE Italy on the butt. The magazine held 13 rounds, despite the manual saying it was 10. Copyright 2023 Aceville Publications Ltd.Registration number: 04109672 | Registered Office Address: 185 Fleet Street, London, England, EC4A 2HS, . The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. #6. This is not one of the standard Pedersoli or Pietta proof marks, nor is it a Uberti proof mark. If this were a copy of an 1873 Winchester, youd have to choose 44-40 (or 38-40) for authenticity, but if youre shooting the 1860 Henry in those matches, it doesnt matter which incorrect caliber you choose. b` I"G3M9YCNxB5)f(1TVVA |7dZgM gBg >noPow l+zyU"^-0x5LH2O4~3z1RuYC.5,CJc38Z"(:o0IoJ(V-7Lvh{_.#DAh8 That was another problem with the $900-more-costly Henry version. 7) Mark on a recent Euroarms revolver. Two more Rifle models come in the same chamberings (342370 in 44-40 and 342360 in 45 Colt) and have the same barrel lengths as the brass ones, but they display case-hardened frames and levers and blued buttplates and list for $30 more. Bore Condition:The bore is mostly bright with sharp rifling. e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2 PDF PROOF MARKS ProoF MarKs - NRA Museum ITALY. It was the earliest production of the .45 Colt model that I could find and wanted it in .45C to match my 1873 Colt single six. Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. gSchf41,%0&nMF;RD}|MY3-!!6m"m._Z8eGW7F]_[jGFS/`L{U\_&?4c@4xhZ+FGmLQA!^D9`xk'3'SL`AbE39a1Xl72t1Hl>|l lX3r7 @^o5I+u`,cB|H^iaPcbxW|)skz5UXx?8|qAo:"QUvbsd,!BD_Z6R'z~oAWF|1b+Q5,J[D:Spx%Ojoqo[$4gxcX-)I._[2$)Kfk4Z?X-DNP[I1bv(~SE_m6#O. California recently rushed through legislation making it unlawful to communicate to those under 18 about broad categories of firearms, parts, and accessories. Overall, the pistol is in Fine condition. We'll start about there. I have 2 revolvers one 36 the other 31 cal. 0000012277 00000 n 0000064924 00000 n 0000003080 00000 n There were no failures to feed, fire, or eject. Our handloads were a touch hotter than the PMC, and maybe shot a touch better. black powder side by side deringer And it has no markings, How can a guy find out who makes it?? On the top of the barrel, an inch in front of the rear sight, was PATENT. 0000080589 00000 n Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. As for value comes with box and back powder flask. Last but not least we have Euroarms, which prior to December, 2001, was known as Armi San Paolo. Prior to 1975 ASM stamped the datecode in Roman numerals on the right side of the frame, along with the proofmarks. 0000050678 00000 n PDF Moder Modern Black Powder Prn Black Powder Proofmarksoofmarks First Year of Production Navy Arms, 1851 Navy Revolver I pray for all on the wire and all that I shoot with.After this last fight with cancer that my wife and GOD and all of you that prayed for her.Things change your outlook some. ASM puts that info on the bottom of the frame adjacent to the barrel lug when the datecodes were alpha characters in a rectangle. I think BU decodes to 2004 (you have BZ for both 2004 & 2005), CA for 2006 and CB for 2007. My first thoughts are that they may be Section 1 firearms so I would recommend that you go to a local firearms dealer and ask his advice if you do not have them on FAC. Apart from a cursory glance I suppose many of you will have paid scant attention to the markings on your modern made black powder reproduction. Prior to 1954 the year of proof was stamped on the guns in Arabic numerals, but this new coding system was introduced around the time of the first reproductions. Length of pull - 13 1/8" (to center of buttplate) Approx. JavaScript is disabled. 0000001770 00000 n Mechanics:The action functions correctly. They also did a Colt 1855 revolving rifle. 0000011827 00000 n Thanks for the info Gaz. Heres what we found. This is not one of the standard Pedersoli or Pietta proof marks, nor is it a Uberti proof mark. Derek Landers, I have one single shot black powder handgun, percussion, brass frame steel barrel. 0000008415 00000 n In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. 0000039418 00000 n There are some light nicks, scuffs and handling marks on the pistols metal surfaces. As a result, the NRA is forced to restrict the sending of certain materials and information into California. 0000004123 00000 n Thats not enough recommendation for us to invest in the Henry Original, so we began looking for a similarly styled levergun and found the Uberti version of 1860 Henry for a lot less money. Wedge Issue: Any pointers for getting the wedge out of a Pietta 1851 Navy for the first time. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. I have a 1858 remington new army revolver I purchased at a garage sale. There is no warning about black powder. any one know who manuf. I have a muzzleloading pistol with IGE on it and says Italy .44 cal. 0000036933 00000 n Ubertis 1860 Henry Rifle Trumps Henrys Original Lever-Action, Sturm, Ruger Rolls Out Significant New Pistols, Revolvers, and Rifles, Ruger American Long-Range Target (LRT) 8378 22 LR. xref It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. Italian date stamps. I belong to an on-line forum, called,"1858Remington.com. I have .36 caliber 1851 navy model with the markings, black powder only made in Italy on the barrel and the 3 standardized proof house marks on the other side but I dont see any of the Italian makers marks, except for a name of HUBERTUS in a rectangular box. 0000067226 00000 n Copyright 2019 sassnet.com The order was signed J. 1860. The top tang of the action held the designation MOD. Written and photographed by Ray Ordorica, using evaluations from Gun Tests team testers. Its not as fast to reload as, say, a Winchester 1873, but it does hold lots of ammo. The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. The proof marks are described in Table 2. The edges between them were sharp enough and, sighting along the flats, we found them to be dead level. On a visit to the Uberti factory I saw an example of an aged Colt 1860 Army revolver and had it not been for the Italian marks it could very easily have passed as an original. Uberti offers versions of all three Colt Dragoon revolvers in their line-up and the one we have here is a standard civilian Second model. Behind that were two Italian proof marks. These revolvers are extremely collectible. However, the only proof mark I can find that looks like a 'house' proof is on the butt of the gun: a PR where the P and the R are overlapped, right next to the 3-digit serial #. This gun has no Italian proof marks and is not marked blackpowder only. I am aware of the 1861 Whitney and the Spiller and Burr. Unfired. 0000008724 00000 n was founded in 1959 and has always used a capital U sur-rounded by an octagonal device, which is actually the muzzle of an 1851 Navy . Thats why we dont call the capacity 13+1, as its given on the website. We found the barrel flats to be properly done. >RPo$Q2y4%TCpu352ji%:@"BHUSYX}n CQCY}B%I"T4~S-2 +{gzIE$Or}a;nY 98cjdi (1 D,)} endstream endobj 43 0 obj <> endobj 44 0 obj <>stream Did that Dawg,nothing.There is a serial number on the receiver right in front of the lever and below the carrier and a proof mark above the carrier.There are two proof marks on the barrel and a roman numeral just in front of the receiver.Nothing on the tangs at all.It had a lever safety on it a onetime and someone took it out.It was said to be a Uberti but it does not have Uberti on it anywhere.I have had 4 Uberti 22s and this one is the only one with out Uberti on the tang.It is the smoothest and you can run it faster than any of the other ones. +J+J+J+J4+J4+Ji4F`4F`4fCg~1x:4lCC6a` ? ? Italian reproduction date markings - SASS Wire Forum 0000007642 00000 n Any British "Would be Pistoleeero's are welcome to contact me at my e-mail address: . 0000027918 00000 n Type of Finish:Blue, Case Color and Brass. . Listed were 65 breech load revolvers (Stallion, Cattleman, Buckhorn and Phantom model names) and one muzzle load revolver Paterson prototype. xb``e``yhXa`+(y-[6zX8-dRRh i9W@Zu"vl=d*b5,JqXx ,8Pl}C;a>aN )10Zx'@ R3 The right side of the receiver is marked with the serial number "08270" and features Italian proofs including the date code "AF". I believe Henry Krank may have de-activated examples of these. 2) It is not unusual to find one or more of the Proof marks lightly stamped. 0000002052 00000 n There were a good many very small "family shops" in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy . it is scratched badly with sand paper in a horrible restore. My wife and grand kids and my kids. There will be a third mark alongside these two and this indicates the year that the weapon went through the proof house. We suspect itd be a delight with black powder. Thanks. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B 0 0000037713 00000 n Our Team Said: We thought the Uberti 1860 Henry was as good a rifle as any weve tested, modern or otherwise. Not all numbers in this range were used. I have 1858 Remington in .36 cal and it has pr eie or rp eie Italy b1766 stamp on the bottom of the grip the other marking say it was made in 1972 I was wondering if any body might be able to tell me what company made it if they can email me at . 0000005085 00000 n Can you advise me as to where I could get this information? I like the Uberti's use of discrete placement of proof marks. Simi Valley, CA 93065. Some kind of a star over a shield, a star over PN or PSF? ITALY. 0000002293 00000 n 0000052569 00000 n The quality, fit, finish, smooth function, bluing and the absolutely gorgeous wood stock! and the accuracy of the Henry over my Uberti was amazing! so two years ago I bought one and have not been one tiny bit disappointed with the fact that I paid a thousand dollars more, its worth every penny and its American made. 0000078548 00000 n Hello, I have a .36 caliber 1851 navy model with markings stating, black powder only made in Italy and the 3 Markings identifying the standardized proof house marks on the other side, but I cant find anywhere the markings of the Italian makers except for a marking that says HUBERTUS in a rectangular box, can you maybe give me some more info. Powered by Invision Community. I have a Palmetto leaflet somewhere and if memory serves me right there are photographs of a Colt 1860 Army and a Dragoon. The lever springs out of a Uberti 73 are the same as the ones one of this 22.I am thinking it is a Uberti but me thinking is not always a good thing. I have a Uberti made .44 Mag. Minimal tooling marks on inside of brass. Looking at these 1860s point by point, we realized we were looking for a rifle that would trump Henrys Henry and it would be no easy task for the Uberti to take down the namesake 1860. %%EOF Great find and it's worth preserving this very collectible piece. 0000038284 00000 n If thats not true and the dull case coloring offends you, rub the parts with cold blue and call it good. Good luck on your bid! 0000078152 00000 n I have always wanted one of my own so about 12 years ago I purchased a Uberti 1860 Henry and absolutely loved it! Could it be possible proof marks and makers marks were filed off of it. 0000004778 00000 n 0000003744 00000 n 3l\9/OEK0joW/L242:ORES\";OhBzP%% - eupGHsP/Y$T y&$ iJ.iO7+asMi3>6fV#iBM u*wzY!.biCEy;Z7yA+lpNQFP+dV4N5t i Box 275, McGregor, IA 52157, ~ Ring Us at 563-873-2387 or TOll Free at 866-259-9172. stamping on the frame is CMC or CMG not clear. 6) Pietta's logo and name stamp. Ubertis 1860 Henry Rifle Trumps Henrys Original Lever-Action Every lawbreaker we allow into our nation, or tolerate in our citizen population leads to the further escalation of law breaking of all kinds and acceptance of evil. Remingtons New Model Army revolver is also a favourite and we have seen single and double action Starr pistols and lately a Whitney Navy revolver. However, a shoulder on the bullet will never help matters. Nit mine but it is just like this one in the link below. I still adore my Uberti but my Henry Original is hands down the superior rifle of the two reproductions. Because the availability of 44-40 ammunition choices is fairly tight (MidwayUSA.com lists 10 choices, with only lead bullets, in weights from 200 to 225 grains), we figured if we found an 1860 we liked, wed prefer to have a wider range of loads for it, so we acquired one chambered in 45 Colt (aka Long Colt), for which MidwayUSA.com lists 56 results, in bullet weights from 145 grains to 360 grains in lead, copper, even shotshells. The overbuffing also left a depression, sometimes called a hog wallow, where the barrel met the 5-inch sleeve at the muzzle. 0000003341 00000 n 9) An early Euroarms name stamp. "When tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty" Thomas Jefferson, http://powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf, ORANGE COUNTY REGULATORS,UP THE CREEK GANG ,LIFE MEMBER OF JACKSON HOLE REGULATORS,DOOLEY GANG,PRAYER POSSE, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, Wild Bunch Rules Committee, Chisum Cowboys, NRA Life member; Eagle Scout, Circle K Regulators, DbarD Wranglers, Boot Hill Regulators,Matamoros Mavericks. The top of the barrel is marked A. It is not unusual to find some of these American marked guns on sale here in the UK. In short, put the lever anywhere you want it during the loading process, and it will still take a full cycle of the lever to get the first round into the chamber. Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers . The only marks are "NAVY ARMS CO" on the left side of the frame and on the barrel top flat, on the right side of the barrel "MADE IN ITALY" and the letters "GU" in script. Groups with the PMC averaged 2.3 inches at 50 yards off the bench. Any thought on the origin of this piece? It was not rust bluing, but looked close enough to it to satisfy us. A copy of a telex communication dated September 9, 1986 from Colt Firearms to Aldo Uberti & Co. ordering 65 firearms (five Phanton .44 Mag and 60 SA firearms in .22 and .44 Mag in 4 , 5 and 7 inch barrel lengths). 13) Were it not for the proof marks this Uberti could easily be passed off as an original Colt. Hello. "CAL. These are the guns that REALLY, "Won The West!" Wayne, you do not say whether or not these pistols are held on a firearms certificate. The cylinderis marked 55 and the Serial No. HV{PTwjrh"1 fv] It looks a lot like an Armi Sport pistol. Very nice and very early production. 0000009592 00000 n 0000105711 00000 n The first proof mark, which appears on all weapons produced in Italy since 1950, is a star within a wavy edged circle (I have seen this described as lands and grooves of rifling) above a crest in a shield. By Overall Condition:The pistol retains about 95% of its metal finish. The bluing was authentic looking. The chart will enable you to determine the date your gun was proved. Again photographs are the first step in identification. 0000001338 00000 n Be advised there are some hot 45 LC loads, such as from Buffalo Bore, that probably ought not to be used in this rifle, certainly not as a steady diet. We dont think thats necessary, however it looked mighty nice. The top of the barrel is marked "A. UBERTI & C. GARDONE V.T. 0000050991 00000 n Eho is the manufacturer ? The wood finish is glossy and perfect. 0000001537 00000 n Any information or ideas on this gun would be greatly appreciated. In our October 2015 issue, we took a hard look at the Henry Repeating Arms Original Rifle in a test that included a Winchester 1892, both rifles in 44-40 WCF. The front sight was also identical in contour to the other rifle, and had a flat-topped blade insert of somewhat shiny metal. Uberti's first production gun was a Colt 1851 in 1959 so the date code would have been "XV". The same rulses are more or less applied today. Both made in 1976 it has markings but no manufacture marks I would like to know who made them ? The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful .45-70 military cartridge. PDF Unraveling The Mystery Of Icons - ACWSA Metal to metal fit very precise, ditto for wood grips to back strap. 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Their health and their love.I love The people I have gotten to meet in sass and the ones that have just talked to on the wire.I do like to shoot and pick on people at the shoot.I love the hugs I get and the ones I will get when I meet some on you people. ,!x#B3`Ev 0000006802 00000 n The letter is signed by Maria Laura Uberti of Uberti USA, Inc. and states that these revolvers were made for Colt Firearms as prototypes by my father Aldo Uberti.
